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How 30 Locations Launched in Under 3 Years
An interview with Carnie Fryfogle III at CR3 American Exteriors

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This week, I had the pleasure of speaking with Carney Fryfogle III, CEO of CR3 Exteriors, a booming roofing and exteriors franchise. Since founding the company just a few years ago, Carney has scaled CR3 to over 30 awarded territories and 20+ thriving locations across the U.S.
We dove deep into his journey, from rapid local growth to the decision to franchise, what works in the trenches for roofing success, and his no-nonsense advice on scaling in a competitive, PE-driven industry.
The interview is packed with lessons for anyone looking to expand fast, master recruiting, or decide if franchising is really for them.
The Key Takeaways
Below are the most essential insights from my conversation that you can apply to your home services business today.
1. Expanding with Franchising
Carney made the switch to franchising after realizing they needed an aggressive growth strategy to compete with increasing private equity consolidation in roofing. Franchising allowed them to grow quickly using other people's capital and energy, while giving buy-in to local owner-operators-a powerful combination for explosive but sustainable growth in a fragmented market.
"When you're looking at growth, it's always going to take human capital and it's always going to take money...we're a very well capitalized company, but to be able to open 30 locations in two and a half years, it would take a lot of money. We looked at franchising as a way to expand and grow as rapidly as we wanted to by using other people's money very candidly. It's professional delegation."
2. Why Franchise Instead of Building Corporate Locations?
Facing the option to either sell to PE, grow corporately, or franchise, Carney broke down the pros and cons-and why the biggest players in similar industries rely on franchising for real scale. He emphasizes that franchising isn’t just “automatically easier”-getting quality owner-operators is key, and not as simple as it seems from the outside.
"I was very naive and ignorant to franchising when I got into it, because I thought once we got through all the paperwork, we'd just sell them like hotcakes...it's not that easy. It's incredibly difficult. Finding the right people is one of the hardest pieces...But to answer your question, we just saw it as a super scalable way for us to ramp up our efforts, get the footprint that we wanted in a relatively short period of time."
3. Finding Franchisees That Succeed
Recruiting franchisees is tougher than most expect-Carney admits to early mistakes and now prioritizes saying no to the wrong candidates. The best fits are entrepreneurial yet coachable and motivated for long-term alignment. They leaned heavily on digital marketing, especially Facebook ads, but found referrals grow more valuable as their network matures.
"Early on, like a lot of young franchisers, we made the mistake of bringing some people in that probably had no business being here...Just through repetition and learning where we went wrong, learning the different habits and traits of individuals, and learning how to simply say no is very powerful. A lot of our acquisition comes through digital marketing. We love to run Facebook ads-there's not a whole lot of people competing in that arena."
4. The Real Secret: Repeat + Referral Business
For operators, Carney’s biggest advice is to prioritize customer experience and invest hard in earning referrals. Not only do they close at higher rates and require less price competitiveness, but referrals are an evergreen growth engine that compounds. Most new operators overlook this in the rush for digital tricks.
"Referrals are your best friend. If you want to build a long lasting great company, you have to have a strong referral base. And the way that you acquire that is by creating a great customer experience. That's literally our mission-to make every customer advocate. Those referrals are worth their weight in gold-you're much lower competition, higher close rates, a little more profitable as well."
5. The Power of Old-School Guerrilla Marketing
Carney believes the magic is in old-school tactics-canvassing, direct mail, billboards, boots on the ground-precisely because digital is now so crowded. He sees digital as necessary for validation, but goes against the grain by doubling down on what most operators avoid.
"I'm very old school. Everybody's so fascinated with digital marketing right now, but when digital marketing was really powerful was when not everybody was doing it. Now everybody's doing it...I put a lot of energy behind old school, guerrilla type marketing. Direct mail, billboards, canvassing is still in my opinion the most lucrative thing you can do in our industry. Trade shows are great."
6. Canvassing Playbook: Two Tracks That Work
CR3 breaks canvassing into two types: retail (targeting neighbors of current jobs for full-price work) and insurance (post-storm, leveraged with urgency). Both require disciplined follow-up but deliver hugely outsized ROI compared to passive marketing.
"We look at canvassing in two different buckets. For retail, we really like to double down on the communities that we're currently working in. You have a poster child to point at, you can name drop...Insurance, it's chaos. Storm hits, everybody goes gangbusters-it's the most fun but craziest thing you'll ever see. If you're in an area that just got hit..."
7. Old School, New School: The Tech Stack That Works
Carney emphasizes leveraging technology for automation and speed, but never at the cost of the human touch. Their tech stack (Proline CRM) automates lead responses, appointment booking, and client communication-making it a “new school” layer on top of proven field tactics.
"We have an old school approach with a new school twist. We're leveraging different things like machine learning, a very sophisticated CRM with built-in speed to lead campaigns. We're texting, emailing...We have AI agents that can scan our sales reps' calendars and allocate appropriately. That digital piece is the validation, but the old school gorilla stuff is our approach to getting to consumers before the internet."
8. Should You Franchise or Go Solo?
For potential franchisees, Carney is brutally honest: franchising is not for everyone. If you’re a creator or want to invent your own systems, you’ll hate it. It’s best for those who crave a proven playbook and want to scale without reinventing every wheel.
"If you believe you can accomplish what you want to by yourself better or faster, then go do it. If you believe with additional help and guidance, we can save you time and money, then franchising may be for you. But if you just follow someone's blueprint, and that bothers you, franchising is not for you-it's going to drive you nuts...If you can follow a system, franchising is for you. If you want to invent and create, probably not."
Looking Ahead
Carney’s advice for any home service entrepreneur is to take action without overanalyzing, learn from inevitable mistakes, and build the resilience needed for true growth. His company is poised for even bigger expansion as referrals multiply and more operators join their ecosystem.
"Anybody that's interested in starting a business, my advice would be: just go out and do it. Don't overanalyze, don't have paralysis through analysis. You're going to fail, you're going to make mistakes-it's part of the process. You have to have thick skin, be resilient, continue to show up, learn from your mistakes, and you'll be just fine."
Wow! You made it to the end; thanks for sticking with us.
The full interview is available on YouTube below, Spotify here, and Apple Podcasts here.